Has the current market environment begun to favor less speculative companies and investment managers with a more active orientation? Director of Investments, Managing Director, and Portfolio Manager Whitney Georgetalks about valuations, sectors and industries that he believes look promising, and some names in which he has high conviction.
Many of the portfolios you manage or co-manage have done very well so far in 2014. What conditions have helped to drive the rebound?The market has definitely been improving for our style of investing—we'd like to think it's also normalizing; that is, returning to a more historically typical performance cycle in which company fundamentals matter. This started more than a year ago when taper talk began and interest rates started to rise.
Around that same time it became pretty clear that legislative agendas were being closed down in Washington, creating a gridlock that seems to have removed some uncertainty. Businesses no longer have to guess what might happen politically because it's become almost impossible to get anything done. This isn't likely to change until after this year's mid-term elections at the earliest. Correlation levels across all asset classes are also declining. It feels like a better market for active management overall.
What sectors or industries look most promising to you going forward?One area that I like is Energy, which has done well so far in 2014 after bottoming out in 2012 and in general not being a significant contributor in 2013. Many of our holdings in the sector have done very well recently, especially following the cold winter in the Northeast. That brought a lot of renewed attention to Energy companies. With the slowly improving economy, some of the more economically sensitive cyclical areas have also improved, such as Industrials and Materials.
In addition, we've seen some more targeted themes that we like do well year to date, such as cheap protein producers, chicken stocks, and egg producers. Beef and pork prices have increased, so these other protein-producing areas have attracted new interest from investors. A recovery in demand for fast-food chains, driven in part by new breakfast menus, has helped to build a growing appetite. And feed costs, principally corn and soy beans, have moderated, creating an excellent fundamental backdrop. For example, Sanderson Farms—a long-term holding—saw its fiscal second-quarter profit more than double because demand for chicken was strong while costs for grain fell. M&A activity, which has been healthy through much of the equity market, has been very robust in these food-related areas.
Can you discuss a few stocks that you feel especially confident about right now?I discussed Myriad Genetics in January, and I still really like the company. It's a molecular diagnostic company that specializes in genetic testing for cancer. After receiving a mixed ruling from a Supreme Court decision in June 2013 when it was decided that human genes can't be patented, its stock price began to fall. Many investors were concerned that Myriad would struggle to compete or be profitable in the light of the Court's decision. The stock later recovered; it enjoyed a terrific first quarter of 2014. Though its price has been a bit volatile more recently, we continue to believe in the company. It remains a leader in genetic testing with a variety of industry-standard tools for detecting hereditary cancer risk. Fiscal third-quarter revenues, announced in May, were up, helping to make fiscal 2014 nicely profitable.
I'm also confident in the prospects for Kennedy-Wilson Holdings, a real estate investment and services company that operates in the U.S., the U.K., Ireland, Spain, and Japan. The company focuses mainly on multi-family homes and commercial real estate, particularly in distressed areas, and we have liked their expertise in these places for a number of years. In February, the firm made a major investment in Europe in the form of Kennedy Wilson Europe Real Estate Plc, publicly traded on the London Stock Exchange, which one of the business's wholly owned subsidiaries will manage. I think the firm is looking increasingly like a very well-run asset manager.
Finally, I'm pleased to see RV maker Thor Industries revving up a bit so far in 2014. It's a stock that we've owned in some Royce portfolios for more than a decade. Like Myriad Genetics, its share price has been somewhat volatile in 2014, but I like its prospects for steadier improvement. After a difficult winter, the firm saw improvements in profits, margins, and earnings in the spring. It has steadily increased market share in the years since the financial crisis, expanded its operations into former competitors' factories, and successfully gained a greater presence in the high-end RV market. Its stock has done pretty well over the last couple of years, but I think it still has room to run.
What do you make of the current market climate?I think valuations are a bit above average, but not unreasonably so given near-zero interest rates and low inflation. There are a lot of anomalies in the market, and I see a wide disparity between what looks to us like expensive stocks and those that look inexpensive on an absolute basis. The market seems to be in the process of sorting that out—certainly those areas of the market that don't interest us, and that did well in 2012 and 2013, have been far more volatile so far in 2014. We're still seeing companies that look attractively valued to us based on their fundamentals. All in all, I'd say we are in a stock-picker's market, and I feel really good about that.
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Whitney George is Director of Investments, Managing Director, and a Portfolio Manager of Royce & Associates, LLC, investment advisor to The Royce Funds. He serves as portfolio manager for Royce Premier Fund (RPR), Royce Low-Priced Stock Fund (RLP), Royce Global Value Fund (RGV), Royce SMid-Cap Value Fund (RSV), and Royce Focus Trust (FUND). He also serves as assistant portfolio manager for Royce Micro-Cap Fund (RMC), Royce Value Fund (RVV), Royce Value Plus Fund (RVP), Royce Focus Value Fund (RFV), and Royce Capital Fund – Micro-Cap Portfolio (RCM). Mr. George's thoughts in this interview concerning the stock market are solely his own and, of course, there can be no assurance with regard to future market movements.
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Checks & Balances If you think about it the President has checks and balances, the Supreme Court has checks and balances, and even the two houses of Congress have checks and balances. However as we have seen with the last 5 years of Fed policy that there is no actual checks and balances for what the Federal Reserve can and cannot do with regard to monetary policy, and there should be. It might not be so apparent now, but it sure will be five years from now when all is evaluated. The big takeaway will be how in the heck did we let the Federal Reserve conduct all of these ad-hoc policy initiatives with some obvious detrimental effects and unintended consequences for financial markets and the US economy? Where would Markets Go without $75 Billion assistance each month? Let us start with the most obvious detriment to financial markets the bubble that is the US equities market. Despite what Goldman Sachs says with their double speak to appease wealthy clients who they told to be invested in markets last week and this week said the markets are 10% over-valued, but there is no bubble – there is in fact a bubble in stocks.
Seems like a Bubble The barometer to use is this: If the Fed stopped cold turkey tomorrow all asset purchases, the Dow would drop 3,500-4,000 points in less than a year (maybe even as little as 6 months), and this is a conservative 25% drop in value just in the short term. If they were never allowed to intervene in financial markets with asset purchases ever again, eventually markets would fall back to sustainable levels, and all the previous liquidity fueled price appreciation in equities of the last 5 plus years would eventually come out of assets like stocks and real fundamental value would be established. My guess is that the Dow would fall back to around the 1,000 level on its own merits over the next 3 years with no asset purchases whatsoever by the Federal Reserve, something in the order of a 40% drop in value. Bond Market: A Debt Risk Valuation Mechanism The Bond market is intended for debt to be issued by parties with parties independent of the debt issuers to then determine a fair market price for the risk of holding said debt in the marketplace, and not a social instrument for creating additional liquidity in financial markets which finds its way into the equities, commodities and currency markets via carry trade liquidity driven fund flows.
It is supposed to be a risk profiler to keep governments and issuers in check in regard to issuing responsible debt at appropriate times. When debt levels reach unsustainable levels, a healthy and natural bond market prices risk accordingly; thereby incentivizing necessary changes to fiscal and monetary policies. This mechanism has been greatly distorted by Fed policy, and the long-term consequences are hard to adequately calculate at this point, but they are definitely a cost – the debate is just how high a cost? Stock Market: A Valuation Mechanism The most important point is this the stock market was intended to be a valuation mechanism for public companies based upon how well their business was being run, the economics of their given business paradigm, and the health of the broader macro-economic fundamentals of the market for their goods and services. Social Engineering Instrument It was not built as an instrument for social engineering, manipulation by a government entity, or tool to be used for monetary policy; private companies went public to raise additional financing for their capital structure to grow the business, and the market put a value on the business based upon the future prospects of the given business. It was never intended as a risk free enterprise. Companies were going to fail, investors were going to lose money; others would flourish, investors would reward these companies with higher stock prices. Fundamentally, the market mechanism would both reward and punish based upon actual operating results of the companies. This is how a healthy financial market is supposed to work, and we have devolved so far from this healthy and natural market valuation model that there cannot without question be major price discovery distortions in stocks, as in, a bubble in stocks, and the stock market pricing mechanism in general! The Fed has positively incentivized the more Nefarious Elements of Stock Buybacks Stock buybacks are bad enough, and have distorted operating results considerably with artificially making earnings appear better than they actually are, it provides incentives for other investors to front-run these company buybacks, and they are not being used properly these days by companies, i.e., buying back when shares are cheap relative to company prospects, and selling shares when they are expensive relative to company prospects – again a natural valuation mechanism. Instead they are being utilized by management to distort prices not because business prospects are so bright, but rather they can borrow cheaply right now ( again thanks to the Fed) and artificially boost their own stock prices and make shareholders happy in their performance of running and managing the company. Stock buybacks have in a sense become so perverted from their original purpose that they have become payoffs to like and invest in the company, not because the company is performing so well from an operation`s standpoint, but because they are going to buy back their own stock. It becomes both a deterrent for shorting the stock, and sort of 'mafia bribe' for shareholders to invest in the company. Remember, this isn`t even company money, these companies are borrowing to buy back shares! This is fundamentally as screwed up from a management standpoint as one can get, one should borrow money to grow the business and create long-term value, not create balance sheet liabilities for the company solely for the purpose of juicing up the company`s stock price! This further distorts actual natural market pricing in stocks, there is no actual business evaluation going on currently in financial markets, there are just liquidity injections or price distorting practices. Textbook Definition of Bubble: Non Market Price Discovery Moreover, since all these liquidity injection practices are from the long side, it would stand to reason that value is being distorted heavily to the upside, this is about as close to the text book definition of a bubble that one could possibly create, and the Federal Reserve is at the heart of doing just this act! The stock market I repeat is supposed to be an evaluator of companies, and not a social welfare program to bring about some higher good for economy policy.
Even if they succeeded in creating a short-term wealth effect for a portion of the population that ended up trickling down to some small extent to the broader economy, the damage to the already shaky financial markets that have crashed three times in fifteen years from a long-term perspective is just a case of the Fed overstepping their bounds and destroying financial markets in the process! On any reasonably weighted Cost/Benefit Analysis this is just too high a price to pay! Do not Trust Anything an I-Bank says for Public Consumption Goldman Sachs like many of these investment banks have benefited immensely from the Fed overstepping their bounds in financial markets with asset purchases, they are never going to openly tell the American public whether there is a bubble in stocks.
In fact, they have a long history of not even telling their own clients their actual feelings on markets. And given how many times these investment banks have royally screwed up their own financial investments, half of them probably have no clue of the conditions ripe for constituting a bubble in the first place until after the fact! Precedents & Moral Hazard The real overstepping by the Federal Reserve to actually buying up financial assets has severely distorted the market process, and the long-term damage to what financial markets are supposed to be about from an overall philosophy, fundamental and mechanical methodology standpoint with the associated costs is really incalculable.
How do you put a value on destroying natural price discovery in financial markets? You cannot, so despite the current size of the bubble the fed has created short-term, the long-term bubble of completely destroying actual price discovery in financial markets by being able to step in and buy financial assets in markets is the real harm here. Moreover, that this act has become acceptable fed policy turf, this precedent and the fact that there were no proper checks and balances to restrict and question this intervention is the harmful and malicious fallout that will inevitably become the Bernanke Legacy. Either Markets are forever Annual Social Welfare Policy Programs or Legislation is Required to Restrict future Fed Intervention in Financial Markets with intermittent Asset Purchases There are many other measures the Fed could entertain instead of the path that Bernanke chose in destroying forever the concept of what constitutes a market mechanism. Consequently unless the Fed has forever changed what markets actually are, social good mechanisms for government wealth creation, and that means a socialized commitment for eternity, i.e., the market must appreciate 10% every year regardless of broader economics or fundamentals. Then they have caused more damage by creating a short-term bubble that is unsustainable on its own, and have set the stage for future ad-hoc interventionist asset purchases in markets on equally subjectivist timeframes and justification! This is the real area where the Fed is guilty of overstepping its bounds. They have forever destroyed financial markets with interventionist policies, and future legislation will have to be created to limit the Fed`s power in this area, and restore financial markets back to their intended purpose. Yes financial markets are built and intended to fail at times, once they are no longer allowed to fail, they become state tools for policy outcomes. And this reality is a bigger failure in a democratic state, than any short-term and well-meaning goals that result from such policies.